The reason for the season

Every day I drive to work, I take the 55 south and see – between Edinger & Dyer – a big sign that says, “Jesus Christ is the reason for the season”

25 Comments so far

  1. Michael Doss (unregistered) on December 27th, 2004 @ 11:18 am

    Jesus is hardly even the reason for Christmas – sure, it’s got his name, but almost all the elements were stolen – the tree (pagans), the date (other pagans), the yule log (still more pagans), the presents (well, everyone gives presents), and the songs (multiple places). Jesus, if he existed, was more likely than not born in the springtime.

    I think the only reason “Jesus is the reason for the season” is a catchphrase is because it rhymes, like all those yokels at the casino who cut the cards “thin” because it rhymes with “win”.


  2. Travis (unregistered) on December 27th, 2004 @ 10:19 pm

    Like he said, it rhymes you dope. Nice rant.


  3. Miles (unregistered) on December 28th, 2004 @ 6:41 am

    Look at how this whole mess has evolved. First, steal whatever customs / existing celebrations you need to get people interested. Move the date if necessary. Then allow (encourage?) consumerism to co-opt the religious celebration. Wise men gave gifts to Jesus, so you should give gifts to your family, friends, neighbors, co-workers, and perfect strangers. Expensive purchased gifts, preferably


  4. No One of Consequence (unregistered) on December 28th, 2004 @ 9:25 am

    Ya know, I actually pity the life you’re living. To be “annoyed” by eight written words and words that otherwise hold no meaning for you. Maybe you disagree, but some people believe that the “season” to which that little slogan is referring is the “holiday” season. But, come on! Is your contempt for believers really that overwhelming?

    I would testify under oath of my first hand knowledge that many people in the world and in the U.S. celebrate Christmas over an extended period without spending lavishly on toys and trinkets. Many people, in addition to being charitable throughout the year, are particularly giving during the holiday season.

    I mean, what’s the point of griping about those eight words and the concept they promote? Just so the other proselytizers of atheism can toss in their $.02? Perhaps all these liberal blogs could pony up some cash to put up a competing slogan on the 55. Just to show how united you are against Christians.


  5. Ronnie Bass (unregistered) on December 28th, 2004 @ 9:30 am

    I know of the trailer you speak of–throughout the year, they have other Jesus-shilling comments. Can’t think of others off the top of my head, though.


  6. Ken (unregistered) on December 28th, 2004 @ 9:31 am

    Whew! Someone has a cross up their butt – but it’s about time someone came along with a dissenting view! Bravo, chap! Bravo!

    … um, just a couple things, though. You must not understand what I mean when I say that sign annoys me. It annoys me in the same way we liberals annoy fundamentalist, Repugnicans when we suggest such awful things as feeding the poor, helping the sick, or – shudder – equal rights for all.

    You still with me?

    And in case you’re wondering why we don’t waste money on signs touting our ignorance… oh, that’s right. You don’t get it.

    I’m still waiting for someone to tell me who we put in charge of Spring, Summer, and Autumn…


  7. No One of Consequence (unregistered) on December 28th, 2004 @ 10:44 am

    Ken: I can’t tell you who is in charge of Spring. Maybe it’s still up for grabs.

    FYI, I myself am an atheist. I don’t have a cross to bear and I don’t feel the need to burn any either. I don’t care what you or anyone else chooses to believe in. I’m not a proselytizing atheist, I simply don’t believe in ANY higher power.

    As far as things that annoy fundamentalists or “Repugnicans” (do you have to pay royalties to Julia for using that?), I really don’t know what annoys them since I am neither. I doubt feeding the poor, helping the sick, or equal rights for all are annoyances though. I’ve seen a report that suggests liberals are less charitable than conservatives, so maybe there are other things in your political position that annoy the other side.

    By the way, what “ignorance” is being touted in that phrase you find so annoying?


  8. Skull (unregistered) on December 28th, 2004 @ 10:47 am

    Wow, great response Ken. You’ve really provoked some “outside of the box” thinking from us all.

    But of course those evil Republicans must want all children to die, so I’m sure you are 110% correct in claiming they do not believe in or give to any charities to feed the children… Ummm, just for the record, can you give any proof of this claim? But remember, I with you…

    Helping the sick, boy, you hit the nail on the head there. Those evil Republicans are diligently working away at gasing all of those that are sick. Yep, they must be evil, well, except for the fact that they are the ones fighting for the rights of the unborn, and stopping euthanasia… (I get it, they want to make them suffer longer?)

    And of course equal rights for all. Those pesky evil Republicans are the new Nazi party right? Hmmm, well, I’m confused… How can you explain the fact that the current Republican Admin has the most diverse group regarding race? Must not matter, you said they want to take all the rights from us and that’s proof enough….

    And to you…. BRAVO!


  9. Ken (unregistered) on December 28th, 2004 @ 10:57 am

    Ah, I love slow days.

    So, let’s talk about the “ignorance” I mentioned, No One. Why don’t we start with not being able to discern a holiday from a season… let’s start with that.

    And Skull, you scamp, you can’t fool me. You’re a moron, aren’t you? Sure you are. I mentioned feeding the poor – you know, something the government doesn’t quite do anymore thanks to the “conservitization” of America. (And let’s ignore how NewSpeak that word has become.) And as for helping the sick – that sure as hell isn’t happening thanks to our great health care system. (Socialized medicine is bad, though – let’s all believe that.) And if you’re going to tell me Repugs believe in equal rights, I guess you’re one of the few who missed that “Protection of Marriage” act that Shrub’s been pushing.


  10. Skull (unregistered) on December 28th, 2004 @ 11:30 am

    Yeah Ken, I’M the moron… And of course there was no bill signed through last year to increase funding for the poor. Yep, that never happened. Oh wait, it was the minority House and Senate that had voted for that even though Republicans carry the vote in both. They are evil… “Conservitization”… Neat word… Explain what it truly means, no, not your hated version of it.

    Oh the wonders of socialized medicine. By the way, we live with socialized medicine today. Go to your local emergency room where it is flooded with those unable to pay for cough medicine. Medicare, Medicaide, County Health Program, State Health Program, Federal Health Programs, etc… Yeah, they all seem to be doing wonders, don’t they? Just because conservatives have a problem with socialists pick-pocketing them to pay for every “government aid program” (that have yet to work) that someone decided will save the country (even though that thief can afford the best healthcare and will never experience the bureaucracy he or she created), doesn’t mean conservatives are evil or against helping? Get your facts straight…. Amazing.

    As for the “protection of Marriage”, I have a problem with that myself. Hmmmm, Clinton refused to address the issue while he was in office and even decided the “Don’t ask, don’t tell” idea was best for the military. Seems both sides have not been able to address the problem, so I would say GOVERNMENT (regardless of which side) has a problem with gay marriage… Or am I far too below your vast knowledge and far superior intellect?

    And to address the “moron” statement, why is it that Socialists cannot hold a discussion with anyone that does not agree with them, without name calling. Must be the superior intellect that Socialists possess…


  11. Ken (unregistered) on December 28th, 2004 @ 11:43 am

    Folks, let’s mark this as the day Skull decided to attack… and we all just shook our heads.

    I never called you a moron, Skull, but you make a strong case.


  12. Skull (unregistered) on December 28th, 2004 @ 11:54 am

    Hmmm, I must be seeing things then Ken, but it sure seems you did… “And Skull, you scamp, you can’t fool me. You’re a moron, aren’t you? Sure you are.”

    Yeah, I didn’t read that at all.

    As for the “attack”, wow, anyone that decides to not agree with you causes you to run? Amazing…


  13. No One of Consequence (unregistered) on December 28th, 2004 @ 12:14 pm

    Ken: Why do you choose to hide your true beliefs with such a ham-handed point about the difference between a holiday and a season? I dug deep and went to the 2nd meaning for “season” at dictionary.com and came up with “A recurrent period characterized by certain occurrences, occupations, festivities, or crops: [for example] the holiday season; tomato season.” Those audacious tomato growers have the gall to try sneak in their own season! Don’t those evil capitalists know that a “season” is only to be used when refering to Spring, Summer, Winter, and Autumn? Idiots!

    Why don’t you say what you mean? That you KNOW Christians are ignorant because they believe in something for which they have no proof. That those ignorant fools take it on faith. Isn’t that what you really mean? Don’t hide behind something as trivial and flimsy as the strict definition of the word “season”.

    You think that the government doesn’t quite feed the poor? Anymore? I think our government feeds more poor today than ever before. Our government feeds, clothes, and houses more poor than ever. Inside and outside our borders. ON TOP of that, people who voted for Bush (I am not in that group) gave more personally to charities than those who voted for Kerry (I am also not in that group). I am among those who believe that if the government wasn’t charged by socialists to feed the poor, there would be fewer poor to feed.

    I also believe that socialized medicine is bad. It’s bad when the patient is the 3rd party, outside the doctor/insurance company transaction. It’s worse when the transaction is doctor/government.

    As far as equal rights, do you think a bigger government more entrenched in our daily lives will result in better protection of equal rights? I guess that’s rhetorical. Obviously that’s what you believe. Even though you see the individual losing rights as our government has grown to ever greater proportions, you still think the government needs to be even bigger and more powerful. The government is so big and powerful that it can decide that 2 people of the same sex are not allowed to marry, and you still think the solution is to give it even more authority.

    I wonder, since the “Jesus” sign was visible from state-owned, public property, does it violate your concept of separation of church and state?


  14. No One of Consequence (unregistered) on December 28th, 2004 @ 12:46 pm

    Ken said to Skull: “You’re a moron, aren’t you? Sure you are.”

    Then Ken said: “I never called you a moron, Skull…”

    Do you think that by phrasing it in the form of a question means that you semantically did not call him a moron? I think you would be lying to say you didn’t mean the obvious implication.


  15. Ken (unregistered) on December 28th, 2004 @ 1:07 pm

    I wouldn’t quibble tomatoes, No One, but I would suggest that if you are going to use the phrase “holiday season” it would surely include New Years Day – a holiday that goes out of its way NOT to include Jesus.

    So, is Jesus the reason for the holiday season? Probably not.

    Besides, I’m still wondering who gets to lay claim to Spring, Autumn, Summer, and yes, even the aformentioned tomato season.


  16. No One of Consequence (unregistered) on December 28th, 2004 @ 1:58 pm

    Ken: I’m sure there’s some Tomato Growers Association or grocery retailer who has laid claim on “Tomato Season”.

    In the U.S., and many other parts of the world, I would say that Jesus is the strongest historical influence for expansiveness of the holiday season. The holiday season I would agree includes the New Years Celebration. But what new year are we celebrating? We’re celebrating the incoming year of 2005, right? 2005 “A.D.”? Jews celebrated the new year of 5765 back on September 16. The Chinese will celebrate the year of the rooster that begins February 9, 2005. So what’s the significance of January 1, 2005? Of course, among many oddities, we ignore the fact that Britain (and its colonies) didn’t adopt the Gregorian calendar until 1752, and that year they decided to skip September 3 through 13 AND move the “New Year” from March 25 to January 1. But, we are still talking about “anno Domini”, and “Domini” doesn’t refer to Vishnu.

    So, is Jesus the reason for the holiday season? Are you one of those zealots who thinks the U.S. should be changed into a democracy? Wherein the majority rules? If so, you better not start asking that question in too wide a circle, because I’ve heard a rumor that roughly 3/4’s of the American population consider themselves Christians.


  17. Michael Randall (unregistered) on December 28th, 2004 @ 5:11 pm

    I’m NOT. Are you now going to tell me to leave?

    As for whoever is the reason for the season, I’m going to keep my head down on this one as it looks like we have a fire fight going on. But it dosen’t hurt to insert my meger two-cents.

    Being the county’s most well-known (or infamous) agnostic X-Mas is a welcomed respid from the daily grind of everyday life. I highly doubt Jesus was born on X-mas Day, besides there are enough X-Mas songs to sing which lack the typical religious wording of a religious holiday.

    I find it funny that Christians adopted most of the pegan symbols from the religious belief that they despised the most. But in this day of co-opting the message and making it your own, I’m not surprised.


  18. No One of Consequence (unregistered) on December 29th, 2004 @ 1:51 pm

    I was gonna leave this thread to die, but I’m bored and need a little diversion so…

    I’m still hoping for an answer to the question, “What “ignorance” is being touted?” Beside the misuse of the term, “season”.

    Michael Randall: Even being a steadfast atheist, I too take part in the holiday season and many of its non-religious traditions. I particularly enjoy many of the christmas songs, even religious songs sung by the great crooners like Bing Crosby and Frank Sinatra. I don’t go to church, but I’ll say aloud, “Amen” after someone else says grace.

    I don’t believe in any greater, higher, or supreme power or being, or his son. But I can live with the knowledge Jesus Christ is the reason for the season.

    You will get no arguement from me that Christians have adopted, utilized, or co-opted, many symbols or events from pagans and other religions. Christianity has been very successful in its marketing efforts. Like the Pine Tree; it had no particular Christian significance, but when it was introduced to the pagans who were familiar with the tree, its triangle shape conveniently offered a connection (albiet irrelevant) to the “Holy Trinity”. Images of Christ often bear a striking resemblence to the depictions of the ancient Roman and Greek Sun gods. The celebrations observed by many pagans, like Easter became parallel celebrations for some Christian reason. I’m sure many symbols and events were converted to Christian everywhere that has been touched by the religion. That doesn’t diminish the fact that Ken wants to deny.

    What will be most interesting is the changes that will follow the movement of Muslims into Christian strongholds like Europe and America. Will Muslim children expect Christmas toys and will Muslim symbols and events be slowly turned Christian? Or will Muslims succeed in getting Christianity quashed? Will the Muslim Christian-haters profit from the liberal Christian-haters growing demand to be free of all references to Jesus Christ?


  19. reporter66 (unregistered) on December 30th, 2004 @ 11:30 am

    I take offense to that billboard only because it’s big, bold and in your face! I mean c’mon, if you’re Christian you already KNOW Jesus is the “reason for the season”, so why put up a billboard in the first place?

    By the way, there’s this other billboard that’s even WORSE. I think it’s on McFadden, in a poorer part of Orange County–anyway, I see it every time I go to The Block. It’s an anti-abortion billboard that shows exactly what a partial-birth abortion looks like in sickening detail. Now, do we actually NEED to see that?


  20. Mr. M (unregistered) on December 31st, 2004 @ 12:53 pm

    Bloggers and Ken-

    I have read through this entire thread and can’t believe my eyes. Could there be any worst way to waste your day and energy? Ken, did this sign really disturb you this much? If you are really so content with your position as a non believer of Christ you probably would have passed the sign without thinking twice about it. So what made you think twice about it to post a messae on the OC board? Have you had a bad experience with Christians before?

    I’m a Christian who is curious as to why this sign affected you so negatively. Every time I drive through LA, Riverside or wherever I see huge advertisements for strip clubs, etc. Would these signs illicit the same response from you? I’m not here to force my opinins or beliefs on you or anyone else who doesn’t seek them. I would however gladly share them with anyone who was interested and strive to be a good example throughout each day. FYI…I don’t think I’m better than anyone and have many atheist friends who at many times show a much more forgiving and gentler heart than I.

    At a time like this I feel as though I should be reading a blog about reaching out to those affected by the Tsunami. I did not expect to be reading a complaint from someone who couldn’t look at a sign and then simply look away as I do often.

    To address “The Season” question at hand I must say that Christmas and Easter are recognized as Christ believing hoidays. However, if you are a believer and follower of Christ you probably don’t limit your personal relationship to these 2 celebrations. Therefore the season is unending. In other words I do believe God watches over the weather (santa ana winds, etc) no matter the time of year. I believe that He watches over everything all of the time including you Ken. You are not forced to believe in Jesus Ken as free will is for everyone. I’d love to hear your or anyones thoughts on their feelings or subjects.

    Happy New Year to you all.


  21. Ms. Lillo (unregistered) on January 1st, 2005 @ 1:49 am

    Oh, my goodness!

    It seems no one has a sense of humor much these days. Ken was riffing here, folks!

    He was mildly irritated that the creators of the billboard were giving credit to Jesus for three months of mankind’s celebrations–not only including holidays, which by their definition–‘…reason for the SEASON’ (in this case: winter)–includes New Year’s, Groundhog Day, Valentine’s Day, etc., but also includes just existing/working time too…weekends, work weeks, cleaning the gutter time, etc, rather than CHRISTmas DAY which IS (OF COURSE!) all about Jesus CHRIST.

    Ken wasn’t saying that God isn’t responsible for mankind, the world, the universe (although maybe in another, more serious, blog he might want to make that comment…who knows?!), he was JUST commenting that, for example, Jesus isn’t the “reason” that Jews light menorahs during this “season.”

    Get it?

    I know that the billboard people are trying to remind people of the birth of Jesus…and not focus on the commercialism that Christmas seems to bring out in people. But that slogan, ‘reason for the SEASON’ just doesn’t cut it.

    Sheesh, people. Lighten up.


  22. Ken (unregistered) on January 1st, 2005 @ 10:24 pm

    Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner! Yes, Ms. Lillo has it right! Even if my comments in this here comment section did take things towards a less-satirical turn, my original post was meant as an observation of absurdity. I was hoping someone would pick up on the silliness but, obviously, this didn’t happen.

    C’est la vie.


  23. No One of Consequence (unregistered) on January 3rd, 2005 @ 10:34 am

    Aaahhhhh… Now I get it. Thanks Ms. Lillo.

    I did catch that Ken was sort of making a satyrical observation, but the fact that the sign annoyed him threw me off. A riffing observation of absurdity might present more clearly by saying, “I drive by this billboard every day that says, ‘yada yada yada’, and everyday it seems sillier than it did the day before.”

    The riff also supposes an extremely restricted definition of the term, “season” that causes the concept of the riff to fall apart. To practically everyone in the country, the “season” to which the phrase that bothered Ken was referring is the “holiday season”, not the season of Winter. I would venture a bet that the phrase was also not referring to spices and herbs one might put on food for flavoring.

    I think if anyone needs to lighten up about this kind of stuff it’s Ken and anyone else “annoyed” by such public displays or being greeted at a store by the dreaded, “Merry Christmas”.

    Happy 2005 all.


  24. Michael Doss (unregistered) on January 3rd, 2005 @ 6:43 pm

    No One of Consequence:

    We’re all annoyed by different things. Those billboards on the 55 don’t bother me too much – I just laugh at them, though I share many of Ken’s beliefs about such things. But there are always going to be things that bug some of us and not others. For example, I know using your real name here would annoy you to no end, and probably cause you to stop posting. For some of us, it’s not an issue at all. See? People are all different.


  25. No One of Consequence (unregistered) on January 3rd, 2005 @ 8:36 pm

    Mike:

    No disagreement that we’re all annoyed by different things and we all have our own beliefs. You, Ken, and I probably share beliefs regarding supreme beings and their progeny.

    I thought by posting his thoughts on this (or any) blog, Ken was encouraging commentary, and not just corroborating positions. Maybe he hoped otherwise.

    As for using my real name, I’m not sure how annoyed I would be. My name has appeared in the open over the years and due to some things in which I’ve recently become involved, my real name will probably be in the open more and more. I probably guard my personal email address more jealously, getting over 300 spam emails everyday at home and dealing with over 10000 spam emails every day at work. That said, I would appreciate it if I am the one who decides when and how my anonymity is compromised.



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