The New “It” Accessory For Spring

It seems that in the last few weeks, there have been numerous articles about people driving around Orange County with guns in their car. Or, in the case of those guys in Fullerton, sleeping with guns in their car.

Is this some kind of new trend?

Or, have people always done it, and I just never got the memo?

The chances that you would actually need a gun while driving around town seem to be pretty slim to me. Yes, there was that woman in Los Alamitos who almost got robbed/kidnapped at her bank drive-up ATM, but she seemed to really have her wits about her and drove off instead. A very good, gun-less solution. Carjacking is a violent, horrible crime, but it truly doesn’t happen enough to warrant hauling your gun around everywhere with you.

Besides the small fact that it is illegal, people whose state of mind I have no clue about, driving with their precious 9mm riding shotgun, (I couldn’t resist, ok?) really freaks me out. (Changed from my erroneous 35mm, my husband was embarassed)

21 Comments so far

  1. Michael Doss (unregistered) on January 31st, 2007 @ 1:09 pm

    Boy, you’re gonna draw the ire of the “gun rights” folks on this one.

    I’ve never understood why people think their right to public firefight between them and their fantasy criminal should supersede my right as a person who doesn’t want to dodge bullets when Johnny Handgun decides someone in the crosswalk is getting too close to his passenger door.

    All that said, I’m sure plenty of people keep guns in their car – they’re easy to conceal in plenty of places. I don’t think it’s a particularly good idea, though…


  2. Gina (unregistered) on January 31st, 2007 @ 3:49 pm

    Well, I’m not advocating that no one has the right to own a gun. My husband owns two himself. It is just that it is rather illegal to have a gun just sitting there in the car with you. Yet, it seems that there are quite a few people not taking it that particular law very seriously.


  3. Travis (unregistered) on February 1st, 2007 @ 7:45 am

    What is a fantasy criminal? I read about real criminals in the local paper every day, but I’ve never heard of these fantasy criminals and this “Johnny Handgun” guy who chases them down without regard for bystanding bloggers. Maybe I need to get out more.


  4. Jon (unregistered) on February 1st, 2007 @ 9:39 am

    Killing people is stupid. Guns are only intended to kill people (or animals), ergo guns are stupid.

    Cars are already considered pretty dangerous to the environment, not to mention the victims of Brandy’s driving. Why would any smart person want to up the lethality of their automobile by driving around with a gun in it?

    Sadly, the logical and inescapable answer to that question is obviously this: Guns are stupid. People only created guns to kill people (or animals), ergo people are stupid.

    Sigh.


  5. Travis (unregistered) on February 1st, 2007 @ 2:53 pm

    Are guns stupid when cops carry them? How about the guns that liberated your country in 1776? The guns that ended slavery? The guns that our pilots carried on 9/11? Please enlighten us with more bumper-sticker logic.


  6. Jon (unregistered) on February 1st, 2007 @ 4:40 pm

    Travis I understand that you like guns. I don’t. In case you didn’t understand the simplicity of my first comment, I’ll repeat it…

    Guns are stupid.

    And to elaborate, just so I am perfectly clear…

    Even when carried by cops, guns are stupid. Even when they liberated my country in 1776, they were stupid. The ones that ended slavery are stupid. They are all stupid, all of them, all the time, in every instance.

    They are stupid in self defense, they are stupid when you shoot a 13 year old boy 800 times with them, they were stupid when used to slaughter the native Americans, they are stupid when the Vice President uses them to shoot his friends in the face, they are stupid when they are loaded, they are stupid when they are unloaded, they are stupid when they are on display in museums, they are stupid stupid stupid stupid because all they are used for is killing. Period.

    You know when they are the stupidest? When people use them recreationally and take them out into the middle of the Goddamn dessert and fire them off for no Goddamn reason because they think it’s “cool”. It’s not cool. It’s stupid.

    Do I need to go on? Have you been enlightened?


  7. Travis (unregistered) on February 1st, 2007 @ 5:33 pm

    Jon, you are very good at expressing your opinion (repeatedly), but not very good at supporting or justifying it. I don’t think we’re going to get anywhere if everything is “just stupid”.


  8. Michael Doss (unregistered) on February 1st, 2007 @ 6:09 pm

    Travis – “The guns that our pilots carried on 9/11?”? Those didn’t work very well, did they?

    Guns really are only for killing. Personally, I don’t think police have a consititutional right to carry lethal arms – it makes them into judge, jury and literally executioner. I don’t think non-lethal weapons are good enough right now, but that’s mostly because we expect cops to have guns.


  9. Travis (unregistered) on February 1st, 2007 @ 7:49 pm

    “The guns that our pilots carried on 9/11?”?

    You got baited into that one. The pilots didn’t have guns on those planes. Draw your own conclusion.


  10. Jon (unregistered) on February 1st, 2007 @ 11:43 pm

    I probably deserved your comment Travis. That being said, I think the idea that guns are stupid is self-supporting. Why should I back it up? It’s pretty self-explanatory I think.

    Here we are in the 21st century and we have more amassed knowledge at our fingertips than ever before. We have access to art and history and sex and social science and we are closer to (or father from) enlightenment than we have ever been. All of this, all of mankind’s achievements, all of human history is carried in each of us. All this knowledge, this tribal magic, this juju, is woven like thread through our collective unconscious and what do we as a race decide to do with it? We seem resolved to use that knowledge and power and karmic Jungian awareness to end lives.

    Is this all there is? The sum of all we have learned in human evolution is to kill, to take what we want by force? Ending another life is not very smart; actually it’s downright dumb. So guns, existing only to facilitate death are, um, well… stupid.

    Make sense? =)

    I think I am pretty worn out on this topic for a while. Kudos to Gina for starting such an interesting conversation!


  11. Peter Gunn (unregistered) on February 7th, 2007 @ 9:34 pm

    There are over 1400 Licenses to Carry Concealed Weapons issued to residents of Orange County. I have one. I carry every day, everywhere I go. I’ve never needed it. I’ve also never needed my airbag. But they’re both there in case the need arises.


  12. Gina (unregistered) on February 7th, 2007 @ 9:49 pm

    Peter, I am not really referring to people who have been approved to carry a concealed weapon.

    I am talking more about people who carry them in their cars illegally. Criminals, or people who are capable of shooting you for cutting them off and such.


  13. brando (unregistered) on February 7th, 2007 @ 10:11 pm

    What’s a 35mm look like”

    Oh, yeah, let’s forget about the over 3000 CCW holders issued in OC alone. People who pass vigorous checks to gain this access to the permit.


  14. Peter Gunn (unregistered) on February 7th, 2007 @ 10:50 pm

    Gina, duly noted. It’s just that often there is a belief that ANYONE with a gun is a menace. Law abiding gun owners, and particularly those with Licenses to Carry Concealed Weapons, are usually the first to avoid situations where there might be trouble. Folks keeping guns in their vehicles without the authority to do so are just asking for some Bubba time courtesy of the County of Orange. Or a ride in a coroner’s van.

    In Orange County obtaining the legal right to carry a concealed weapon is a very reasonable process. Most any law abiding citizen who can establish good cause within a very accepting framework, is willing to go through the federal and state background checks, and get trained in both the use of firearms and the legal ramifications of their use is likely to be issued a CCW License. Law abiding residents literally have no reason to carry illegally when they can do so legally with a little effort on their part.


  15. Howard (unregistered) on February 7th, 2007 @ 10:56 pm

    Jon,

    We are clear, guns are stupid. As a gun owner I agree. Guns ARE stupid. Worse, stupid is defined as “Slow to learn or understand; obtuse,” guns are not slow to learn, they DO NOT LEARN. They are not stupid, they have no intelligence of any kind. Guns ARE stupid, cars are stupid (30,000 – 40,000 deaths per year), swimming pools are stupid (1334 drownings in 2001), cigarettes are stupid (100,000 – 500,000 tobacco related deaths / year). I could go on and on with what is stupid. Keep in mind that a gun is only as smart as the intelligence controlling it (or not.)

    Some statistics for everyone: (based on 2001 CDC statistics):
    You are 4 times more likely to burn to death or drown
    17 times more likely to be poisoned
    19 times more likely to fall to death
    53 times more likely to die in a car accident

    You are between 15 and 20 times more likely to die from medical malpractice than from an accidental
    firearms discharge.

    Thanks for reading…


  16. becca (unregistered) on February 8th, 2007 @ 5:13 am

    “Guns are Stupid” huh?

    Guns are tools. People are stupid.
    Just like any tool, Stupid and/or Evil people will misuse it. So it is up to all of us to be sure we do not fall victim to these people. Rest assured, if guns didn’t ever exist, criminals and miscreants will find a way to terrorize, harm and kill the innocent.

    While I personally did not get the “memo” about people “illegally” carry weapons in their vehicles I would like to say this…
    I am a woman, a gun owner and I posess a permit to LEGALLY carry my weapons concealled on my person. That’s not just in my car, but everywhere I go. The supermarket, the hiking trail, the Mall, etc. If people are truly breaking the law by improperly transporting firearms in their vehicles then they are stupid, but their guns are not.

    Do not forget what Retired Lt. Col. D. Grossman said about Sheep, Wolves & Sheepdogs. The majority of people are Sheep, meaning they are good people that would never harm another. However, there are Wolves that want nothing more than to harm and kill the Sheep. The Sheepdog hunts the Wolf and protects the Sheep. The Sheepdog has a propensity for violence against the Wolf and a deep love of the Sheep. The Sheep HATE the Sheepdog because they look like the Wolf, until the Wolf comes hunting, then the whole flock will try to hide behind a lone Sheepdog.

    I AM A SHEEPDOG! If any of you on this blog that hate guns is being attacked by the Wolf when I am around, I will protect. On that day I hope you re-think your position on guns.

    Thank You!


  17. Gina (unregistered) on February 8th, 2007 @ 8:45 am

    To me, guns are a Pandora’s box that has already been opened.

    Did I wish they had never been invented? Yes, like a lot of things.

    But, they are here and wishing they will go away isn’t going to do much.

    Becca, I am not sure of your sheep/sheepdog/wolf analogy. I don’t HATE the people you label sheepdogs, and I certainly don’t count myself a sheep, which implies a certain stupidity and inability to think critically. At least when compared to the sheepdog, right?

    Listen, my brother in law is a Sargeant who also carries around a gun. I don’t begrudge him that. However, I was referring to recent incidents in Orange County where people who had no business carrying a concealed weapon in their car were apprehended by police. With all apologies, people like my brother in law, and my husband, who is also in law enforcement, are the real “sheepdogs” if I can be allowed to use the analogy.

    Which I probably shouldn’t because I didn’t agree with it, but there you are.

    Thank you everyone, for keeping the debate a civil one.


  18. becca (unregistered) on February 8th, 2007 @ 8:54 am

    Gina,
    Here is a link to On Sheep, Wolves and Sheepdogs http://www.killology.com/sheep_dog.htm

    Calling someone a Sheep is not an insult and calling your husband a Sheepdog is an honor to him.

    I think you will really like this article and share it with your husband. I am sure he will like it as well.

    Enjoy!
    becca


  19. SensFan (unregistered) on February 8th, 2007 @ 10:59 am

    Gina, I’m glad to hear you don’t have a problem with folks who are licensed to carry guns.

    I’m more than willing to hear the answer as to how to keep people from keeping illegal guns, though. The problem with the left on this issue is you lump the legal, law abiding gun owners with the criminal owners of illegal guns.

    You forget, however, that many left wing folks are also gun owners.

    I am licensed to carry in 30+ states. I have never had to use my gun. Before I got my license, I always transported my gun in the manners prescribed by law.

    I also have life insurance. I’m pretty sure I’ll use it at some point, but only once. Buying a policy after I die, however, is not going to do my family any good. If I could FORETELL when I was going to die, I would wait until the appropriate time to buy my policy, but I can’t tell the future.

    So…I have one now.

    And to you people who think that the legal issuance of guns and carry licenses spurs gunfights in the streets…take the time to educate yourself about CCW and get over it. It’s not been happening in all the shall issue states, yet the cities who cave to your gun-grabbing are among the most dangerous in the country.

    For more info on self defense and handguns, please visit http://www.corneredcat.com or http://www.a-human-right.com/


  20. SensFan (unregistered) on February 8th, 2007 @ 11:02 am

    Jon

    I love your comment “Guns are stupid”.

    Brilliant!

    They are inanimate objects.


  21. Dan M. (unregistered) on February 8th, 2007 @ 12:01 pm

    My wife tells me she doesn’t like a having guns in the house. She asks me why I think I need a gun. She thinks it’s paranoid, and juvenile, and she’s afraid. She also reminds me every night when we go to bed to make sure the doors are locked. Is locking the doors paranoid? I just want to know. ;)



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