Why Rick? Why?

Anyone paying attention to the OC Metblog site or the LA Metblog site has seen 2 or 10 references to Rick Warren, head pastor for Saddleback Church. While I’m not a “member”, I have attended the church on and off over the last 4 years and have recently been going weekly to a Sunday night service for people in their 20s-30s called Fuse. Rick does not teach at Fuse.
I have always enjoyed when Rick would teach, he is an excellent speaker, however I haven’t always agreed with his views. Especially as of late.
More after the bump.
I am (not so secretly) a big supporter of the No On 8 campaign. Hearing all the things Rick has to say on the issue is really disheartening. I recently received an email from the Courage Campaign whom I recently endorsed here on OC Metblogs. Here is an excerpt:

While President-elect Obama has chosen to ignore the troubling beliefs of the man who will spiritually usher in his presidency, Californians can not ignore Rick Warren and his Saddleback Church followers, based in Orange County.

I edited that so “Rick Warren” was not bolded
I take personal offense to this.
Before I get any comments telling me I should find another church because the church goes against what I’m fighting for, I’d like to say that in all the churches I have attended, I’ve always disagreed with different aspects of that church’s personal beliefs. I’m a fairly liberal Christian, and typically, the “fairly liberal” churches are kinda weird. Saddleback, as a whole, is a really great church (especially for new Christians or people who are unsure) with great people.
I hope, in time, Rick might see the error of his ways, but I fear even if he did, because of his position in the ranks, he wouldn’t be able to change his stance. Let’s hope I’m wrong.
To sum up, don’t judge a person by their church. (Remember when Obama’s pastor went crazy and everyone blamed Obama??)(Ahem) I’m quite positive my wife and I aren’t the only normal ones of the 60,000+ Saddleback members.

3 Comments so far

  1. Jon (oc_jon) on December 26th, 2008 @ 9:41 am

    Oh My. Where do I begin? Well… If Saddleback Church is the right church for you and you devote your time and money to the church and their causes, that’s that a personal choice. However, as you know, there are churches out there that do fit all your needs and belief systems… you may just have to do a lot of searching to find the right one. The Unitarian Church comes to mind as do certain Presbyterian congregations.

    I think Saddleback Church does some wonderful things overseas. My Aunt has been on missions to Africa several times and found the experience to be life changing. My personal views are that helping others in need is a great thing but I am extraordinarily wary of helping with the underlying intent of witnessing the word of God. Warren’s human rights views in third world countries should be commended but his human rights views in the Americas leave a lot to be desired.

    I come from a mixed background of all kinds of beliefs: Southern Baptist, Catholic, Jewish and pagan hippies all have their place in my formative years. Needless to say, my views on religion are pretty broad. When I found that I couldn’t find a brand of religion that fit all of my personal beliefs I made a choice. I chose not to take part in any of them.

    Riddle me this, and I mean this sincerely and completely in a noninflammatory way, if you (hypothetically) tithe at Saddleback are you inadvertently supporting the thing for which you stand against? How do you reconcile the two?

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  3. Dave Share (daveshare) on December 26th, 2008 @ 1:47 pm

    To be honest, Jon. We haven’t started tithing here yet. We were actually just discussing this after last Sunday interestingly enough. We’re considering giving the 10% we would normally tithe to the church to a smaller charity or organization that would benefit more from our money. We understand that, in tithing to our church, they divvy the money…….well, "as God intends" I guess, but we really feel Saddleback doesn’t need our money. We feel, in our hearts, we can find a smaller, more in-need group that would really appreciate the money.
    And we have found a church that we agree with most (all? too soon to tell) of what they say. It’s Fuse. It just so happens that it’s a….subdivision if you will, of Saddleback. If Pastor Doug went off and started his own ministry in the style and teachings of Fuse, we would follow without a glance back.

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